PHARAOHS
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**Hossein Bagher
Zadeh wrote:
[Hossein posted an article
about the death of a teen-age boy in
**Sam Ghandchi followed up:
Can anybody tell me if Jesus
or Mohammad had treated their worst opponents like the inquisitionists
who kill in the name of Christianity and Islam?
**Hossein Bagher
Zadeh followed up:
The whole question of
killing/execution/capital punishment has gone well out of hand amongst the
fundamentalists. A (knowledgeable)
friend of mine was telling me the other day that it is hard to find any record
of execution during the early time of "Islamic government" (that of
Mohammad or Khalife Ali) - except for cases like the
mass killings of Abu Qreizeh people after one of the
early battles at the time of the prophet. Otherwise, no record of people being
executed for apostasy, mohaarebeh ba khoda, fasaad dar zamin,(repeated)
prostitution, homosexuality, (repeated) drunkenness, etc - even though killing for many of these are
somehow sanctioned in Qor'aan.
I am not certain how accurate
this is, but surely if they had started killing people mad like they are doing
it today, Islam couldn't have lived that long?
**Sam Ghandchi
followed up:
Well, in the historical
context your point makes perfect sense too.
The Early Christianity or Early Islam did not have a
state elite whose interest was dependent on the power of the state over
the mind of its subjects to benefit from such control of people's mind. In
fact, states such as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Rome, or Ancient
The above is the reason as to
why Moses is so savagely treated by Pharaoh, Jesus is so savagely treated by
Czar and Mazdak is so savagely treated by Persian King (GhobAd). None of the
above had challenged the state with swords. Even Khosro Parviz's
reply to Prophet Mohammad's letter is the same way. Khosro Parviz does not want anyone to claim the mind of his
subjects and thus tears down Mohammad's letter, which simply had advised him to
accept Islam as a religion.
I believe Inquisition in
In fact, in the Protestant
countries, there was no inquisition, not because of the ideology of the
Protestants, who were actually at times more against science than the
Catholics, but it was because the Protestant *clergy* was not able to get
control of the state in the Protestant countries. In contrast, even the Jesuits,
who were the most educated among the Catholics, and were the ones who supported
free will; were at the same time instrumental in re-establishing the terror of
the Inquisition, even in
Bertrand Russell notes that
Galileo wrote to Kepler wishing they could have a good laugh together at the
stupidity of "the mob"; ...the professors of philosophy, who tried to
conjure away Jupiter's moons, using "logic-chopping arguments as though
they were magical incantations". Galileo, as everyone knows, was condemned
by the Inquisition, first privately in 1616, and then publicly in 1633, on the
latter occasion, he recanted, and promised never again to maintain that the
Earth rotates or revolves. The Inquisition was successful in putting an end to
science in
Actually improvement of
education did not help the eradication of Inquisition. As I noted, the Jesuits
were the most educated and did their utmost to improve education. Descartes
actually got his education from them. But the Jesuits themselves were the main
pillars of Inquisition. The Reformation and Counter-Reformation which
challenged the authority of Catholic Church in European States put an end to
Inquisition in
After the Thirty Year War,
people got tired of all these religious justifications of the statesmen to hold
into power in the name of religion, as the representatives of God on Earth, and
no one would be able to hang somebody for questioning the so-called
"fundamentals" of Christianity, as defined by these new Pharaohs who
held power and wanted to control the mind of people by making their version of
Christianity as the only legitimate one.
It became apparent to
Christians themselves that not apostates, but they themselves, did not agree on
any fundamentals, and with people starting to think for themselves, the
authority of Christian priests, to run the European states, ended. Once people
started to think for themselves and speak their minds, the clergy were the last
ones to be included in any state apparatus to speak for the mind of the
populace. The new Pharaohs died with their Mediaeval
version of Christianity.
Religion became the private
matter of the individual and not the canon of the inquisitionists
to exercise power. This is how science finally found room to grow. The end of
inquisition was synonymous with the growth of science.
The innocence of Early
Christianity was revived among some of the pious and the ones who were looking
for taking hold of people's minds to legitimize their standing in the state
power, but to justify their atrocities used science this time. In modern times,
the Nazi's used the scientific discoveries of
With the fall of fascism and
communism, a new revival of age-old inquisition is happening. I hope this one
to be short-lived. Especially the growth and power of democracy in the whole
world, and the above experiences of humanity as a whole, are good reasons to
believe that this new obscurantist wave will be short-lived. I am not really
sure what the cure is today.
Should we hope for a
Reformation and Counter-Reformation to open the road to free thought? As one
may view the IRI-vs-MKO controversy in
I am not sure of the answer
to the above questions that I have noted above but I am sure the cure is not as
much thru education per se. Not simple education, but the strength of a liberal
tradition in a society, can help to make this happen, by stimulating
self-thought. The cure, as always, is summarized in one word. When people think
for themselves and speak their mind, the inquisitionists
will lose any legitimacy to represent the silent mind in the state apparatus,
whether the state is that of Pharaoh, Mediaeval Papacy, Hitler's Fascism,
Stalin's Communism, or others.
Sam Ghandchi
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* The above article was first posted on SCI (soc.culture.iranian) Usenet newsgroup on Jul 4, 1994 with under the original subject header of “Re: 1 Killed in Bangladesh Strike over Feminist Author”.